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April 25, 2011, 10:05 AM
Jackie200
For all newbies- must read!!
Good post but prices are off for food. I live in orangge county ca and never spent more than 200 a month on food even when I was making over six figures a year. I don't know how one would spend 300 a month on eating unless you are a 6 foot guy who eats all day. Even when spending under 200 a month on food I wasn't able to finish it all.
May 08, 2011, 09:13 AM
Pavel
It would be so GREAT if someone from LA could update this, with all the prices and everything.

People can create their "business plans" according to these numbers.

Thanks!!
May 08, 2011, 10:46 AM
actorshelper
Pavel- It's accurate enough. Not that much has changed.
May 08, 2011, 10:56 AM
Pavel
quote:
Originally posted by actorshelper:
Pavel- It's accurate enough. Not that much has changed.


Oh, alright, thanks for the confirmation!

I guess I'll do my plan around these numbers then.
June 13, 2011, 11:14 AM
actorshelper
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April 22, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jackie200
quote:
Originally posted by Pavel:
It would be so GREAT if someone from LA could update this, with all the prices and everything.

People can create their "business plans" according to these numbers.

Thanks!!


Rent prices are a bit off for me. I do not live with roommates but found an apt studio priced slightly under 1200 with all utilities included... in West Hollywood on a very nice street (some apartments on my street right next to me are going for $3,000 a month etc).

Food prices are off too... I have never spent $300 a month on food even when I was making six figures a year a few years ago. I would be unable to walk and zip up my pants if I ate that much...

I don't have a budget when it comes to food; I spend as much as I can eat/want with no consideration to price (I only shop at TJ) and it never goes over $200 on groceries and I only buy the best gourmet stuff; brie, gourmet pizza, Argentinian shrimp,fresh pasta (ravioli with sundried tomatoes and goat cheese etc) organic etc.

I also spend less than $200 a month on gas event though my car uses Supreme...
January 30, 2013, 12:19 AM
Mominbiz
Time for another bump!


- MIB -
"If you can dream, you can do. Making it happen is up to you!"
February 02, 2013, 07:33 AM
Sphinx
Yes time to bump againSmiler

Question for Jackie:

Are those prices still the same or has it changed?
How much on gas you spent?
What is TJ?

Thanks
February 04, 2013, 06:32 AM
Degprinsessan
You can find living situations in NY for 600-700 a month in the outer boroughs of NYC. You can team up with friends and stock up on the supermarkets such as Costco or Walmart and buy bundles of food and stuff. You don't need or want a car in NYC (!).

There are always ways to live cheap, but it's hard to know what to spend on what unless you're living in the city. But yeah, around 1000-1500 a month for living, commute and travel is probably absolute minimum for NY.
August 01, 2013, 01:48 AM
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August 01, 2013, 07:19 AM
TRUTHTELLER59
Damn...I miss Miss Stone. Glad this is posting is still around.


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August 07, 2013, 07:12 AM
SammieD
I agree! I find myself coming back to this thread time to time to remind myself with a little bit of info that I need
August 31, 2013, 12:09 AM
Missandrea289
quote:
Originally posted by miss stone:
LONG POST but a MUST READ for newbies!

There has been a lot of questions about moving to LA and NYC lately from some of our new posters. I would like to clear up a few things and put things in perspective about what is really needed from you, financially and emotionally in this business. This info is from an LA perspective but I imagine NYC is very similar.

Some of the necessary things you will absolutely need just to survive are as follows-

Per Month
place to stay $700-$1200
food $300- $500
gas $200- $400
electricity $50- $200
miscellaneous $200 +

So, just to survive at the barest minimum if you have roommates, a LOW gas mileage car and IF gas stays low cost-wise and you never use an air conditioner, sit at home on Saturday night and eat very minimally- $1450 a month.

NOW that is just to live, acting aside. For your acting you need this- (to do it right if you actually want to stand a chance, that is)-

acting classes $800 for 12 weeks at my school
on camera class $200+ a month
improv classes $300 or so for 8 weeks
headshots $400- $600 every six months
reproductions $95 for 300 +
postcards $50 for $200 cheapest
I found
mailings $3.50 for a pack of 25 envelopes
stamps $1 or so to mail a headshot?
ink for printing $60 or so for refills
paper $5- $10 for 500 sheets
reel editing $150- $350
duplication $300??? for a few hundred
padded envelopes
and labels $????
Submission sites $68 for Actors Access
$120 or so for NowCasting depending on which package
$140 for LACasting
$175 for Backstage + Ross
Reports
These are all yearly.
$12.95 a month for IMDBPro
Film Independent
Membership $95 a year
Women in Film $110- $210 a year
Australians in $125 a year
Film
AFTRA initiation
fee $1300 + dues

So, without any union fees and without including the price for DVD mailings etc, the amount for that first year would be around $14,000, give or take. So that and your survival money is around $30,000 for that first year. Now, the next year will fluctuate and you may or may not continue with ALL the above mentioned classes but you will hopefully need to join the unions and that is when the extra $3600 will sting. And the on-going classes are absolutely essential. Very few people are instantly ready and most need developing. You constantly need to be training and working on your craft to stay in practice and to be able to compete readily in the game. There are literally 100,000's out there trying to do this and you need to bring your A-game at all times. I can't stress the need for classes- really. It prepares you for the day when you finally get that big audition and ensures you do not fall apart from nerves and BELIEVE me it happens to everyone!! Nothing worse than getting a shot and not being ready. You only get one chance to make a first impression- don't kill it with arrogance, ego or an idea that you are so much better than everyone else as the truth is- you're not. But what you can be is prepared, professional and ready. Training will do that.

Now, about the memberships etc. One of biggest part of this business is marketing and selling your product- that is YOU. It doesn't matter how good you are (or think you are) if noone knows you exist. Gotta meet and greet and put yourself out there. Not the time to be shy. But running around getting blind drunk at parties and harassing executives etc on their night off is not my recommended plan of attack, especially not for girls. The legit and classy way to mix with other like-minded individuals is at screenings etc, such as the ones held by the above listed groups I mentioned. There are also breakfasts with guest speakers and these are golden opportunities to attend and just LISTEN. Don't walk aprund with a greedy look and a gimme- gimme vibe. Waste of time. Be the quiet one. Just listen and observe. A few weeks of this and seeing the same faces and they will want to talk to YOU. Have a little mystery but be YOURSELF. Everyone in this town wants something. Be the one who doesn't and see what happens. Talk about anything, whatever comes naturally and force nothing. If you simply relax and act like a friendly and open human being anywhere in this town, you would be amazed who you meet and what can happen. Really. I worked as a demo girl at a supermarket in some very good neighborhoods ages ago and there I met producers and personal managers. To this day we are in contact. I didn't suck up or say gimme gimme- I teased them, argued and debated with them and they loved it. When you are in a position of power and everyone is kissing your ass because they want something from you, you know what turns them on? People who tell them they are wrong and keep it REAL. So, MARKETING and NETWORKING is the point of joining those organizations.

Submission sites- I listed all the best ones and yeah, you need them all. They all have different projects and serve different purposes. The best up and coming actors out there have them and so should you. At first.
And NO SNAPSHOTS IN YOUR APARTMENT TO BE ON YOUR ONLINE PAGES EVER!!! NEVER!!! PROFESSIONAL SHOTS ONLY!!! Let me say it again for the cheap seats in the back- 100,000's of people doing the SAME THING as you!!!!! Make your headshot count!!!NO SNAPSHOTS!!!!!!! No half-naked, implied naked poses (girls- no bare shoulders or pouting like Playboy centerfolds, air-brushing). For the guys- no flexed muscles, oiled-up and "Damn, I think I am sexy" shots- NO NO NO and NO. We are actors. We are not models or porn stars or strippers or trying to do Calvin Klein underwear ads. If that's your thing, by all means go for it and God Speed. Just know where it belongs and where it doesn't. Don't put a sexy picture online and wonder why you attract the freaks. This ain't Kansas, Dorothy!!

About AFTRA. I for one, WHOLEHEARTEDLY recommend anyone with the money who wants to be SAG Eligible as soon as possible, join AFTRA TODAY no matter where you are in the country. Period. Let me explain. One of the ways to become SAG eligible is to be a member of a sister union for a year and get just one speaking line in an AFTRA project. Just ONE. I for one think that if you submit your GOOD headshot off like crazy to all the soaps- this is very possible and the best way to get SAG- IMO. Extra work for vouchers? Ugh. Shudder. Why WOULD you!! You didn't move here to be someone's bitch for $60 a day, okay? Bad idea. You can wait for a Taft- Hartley, yes possible- but imagine if you are living where you are and saving up to come BUT you are AFTRA and as the year goes by in a snap. That means as soon as you get to LA, you get just one itty bitty line on an AFTRA show and BAM- you are SAG ELIGIBLE!!! Awesome. Now after a year or so honing your craft and getting your reel together, you are ready to submit to legit agents and not look like a green and inexperienced fool. SAG-E will make you much more attractive to agents. JOIN AFTRA NOW!!!!! But not SAG. Not until you HAVE to. Build that reel!! By all means submit to agents if you must before you have these things. But beware of who you attract with no credits, unions or training. The sharks are fierce and there are MANY!! I would highly advise only commercial agents in the beginning stages. And it is expensive to do mailings these days. Best to wait until you have something better to bring to the table- IMO. To sum up-
- A reel
- A GREAT headshot
- SAG Eligible
- credits
- TRAINING

That way you might have a shot. Instead of 100,000 to compete with maybe now only 99,000!!
LOL.

Finally, survival jobs. This was my Achilles Hell and still is. I can't even stress how hard it is to land even a meager server job in LA. Again, 100,000's of people. It is no wonder, really. And with this economy and recession which we CANNOT deny, I can only imagine the pain for many this year. With people cutting back on spending- i.e. eating out and with the likely strike, there will be even fewer jobs as partially working actors who previously got speaking parts are forced to beg for extra shifts at their day jobs. FYI- I do fully support the strike. But if you are planning a move here, be patient and stay home and continue to save your money HARD and learn a new skill as it could come in handy for when you come out here. Learn anything that you think could give you an extra edge over others and an opportunity to make money from. Sit tight and see what is happening with Hollywood first. No point in coming out here to struggle and agonize with everyone else. If they strike- LA will be a shit fight. Period.

I know there is SOOOOO much more but I am exhausted after this and besides- I am not revealing all my secrets!! Wink
I hope this has been of some help to anyone and whatever you do- rememeber this is s BUSINESS. This is not a game and those of us in it for life take it very seriously. Focus, work your ass off, be professional and do your research, never lose sight of your goal and be realistic about how long it will really take. It CAN HAPPEN. I promise you. Best of luck and God Bless. Smiler

I forgot!!! Theatre is a must!!!! Join a theatre group. Some require dues! That is %50- $75 a month. Make sure they are reputable. A theatre actor is a GREAT actor. Period.



Thank you for this post I knew a little bit about cost from friends that were actors but there was a lot of new information here for a newbie like me Smiler