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Russell Crowe
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Here is what I think after a year:

Familiarize yourself with the phases of culture shock. They are real.

Get anger management counseling before you come if you have the slightest predisposition towards road rage.

Plan to be at least an hour early or you are planning to be late.

A good GPS will be your best friend. However, you have to treat it like your baby and take it with you when you park because it will be like car breakin thief bait.

Never leave anything in clear view in your car. Not even loose change. Put it in the trunk if you can’t take it with you. Booby trap it if you can.

Most of the “rules” you read on this message board are really loose guidelines that are not even loose if you are a talented, vgl 18 tpy with previous training and acting experience.

Have a plan based on the “rules” when you get here but don’t marry it. It will be like a battle plan that will go right out the window once the shooting starts. There is no timeline, but things can sometimes happen quickly if you are good. It can be scary.

Don’t talk to actors about acting or the business outside of class unless they have reached friends status. They will bring you down.

Just because someone is older than you and has been in town for years does not mean he doesn’t have his head up his ass about the business.

Everybody’s hairdresser and dentist thinks they are qualified to give advice to actors.

99% of people have a project and 98% have an excuse.

Some of the “producers” that will approach you are real producers. They produce porn.

Be good at changing the subject or exiting conversations you don’t want to be in without laying out a snub. This is a much needed skill in a variety of situations.

Don’t tell ANYONE if you have money. Not even your friends.

Most of the guru teachers are really finishers and their studios are totally overrated.

The game may have changed, but cd workshops are still for losers.

This town has grown fat from eating lost souls for breakfast, lunch, dinner and many snacks between. Don’t come here without a strong spiritual core.

If you are from the east coast, you need to drink a lot more water than you are used to for the sake of your skin.

Real actors with real careers don’t have time to post on message boards 10 times a day.
 
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Al Pacino
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Stumbleine - Well written.

Glad you stopped in to post. Sounds like things are going well overall. Good to hear it because I remember when you first posted about your plans to go for it out here.

P.S. regarding guru teachers--what do you mean by using the word finisher?
 
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Anthony Hopkins
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Originally posted by stumbleine:


99% of people have a project and 98% have an excuse.

Some of the “producers” that will approach you are real producers. They produce porn.
....

This town has grown fat from eating lost souls for breakfast, lunch, dinner and many snacks between. Don’t come here without a strong spiritual core.

The best lines in a great post.


Jim Chevallier
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Sean Penn
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Originally posted by stumbleine:
Here is what I think after a year:

Familiarize yourself with the phases of culture shock. They are real.

Get anger management counseling before you come if you have the slightest predisposition towards road rage.

Plan to be at least an hour early or you are planning to be late.

A good GPS will be your best friend. However, you have to treat it like your baby and take it with you when you park because it will be like car breakin thief bait.

Never leave anything in clear view in your car. Not even loose change. Put it in the trunk if you can’t take it with you. Booby trap it if you can.

Most of the “rules” you read on this message board are really loose guidelines that are not even loose if you are a talented, vgl 18 tpy with previous training and acting experience.

Have a plan based on the “rules” when you get here but don’t marry it. It will be like a battle plan that will go right out the window once the shooting starts. There is no timeline, but things can sometimes happen quickly if you are good. It can be scary.

Don’t talk to actors about acting or the business outside of class unless they have reached friends status. They will bring you down.

Just because someone is older than you and has been in town for years does not mean he doesn’t have his head up his ass about the business.

Everybody’s hairdresser and dentist thinks they are qualified to give advice to actors.

99% of people have a project and 98% have an excuse.

Some of the “producers” that will approach you are real producers. They produce porn.

Be good at changing the subject or exiting conversations you don’t want to be in without laying out a snub. This is a much needed skill in a variety of situations.

Don’t tell ANYONE if you have money. Not even your friends.

Most of the guru teachers are really finishers and their studios are totally overrated.

The game may have changed, but cd workshops are still for losers.

This town has grown fat from eating lost souls for breakfast, lunch, dinner and many snacks between. Don’t come here without a strong spiritual core.

If you are from the east coast, you need to drink a lot more water than you are used to for the sake of your skin.

Real actors with real careers don’t have time to post on message boards 10 times a day.


Great post!!
 
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Johnny Depp
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stumbleine: Terrific post, especially the spiritual suggestion.
 
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Robert DeNiro
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These posts are fantastic. Love the list formats too. I am doing a piece about moving to LA for the upcoming Welcome to LA issue and this has been really inspiring!


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Newbie
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Amazing post, stumbleine... Thanks everyone for some great advice :-)
 
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Russell Crowe
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Stumbleine, great post! Couldn't agree with you more on all your points.

One thing to add to your point about lost souls.

It's not nicknamed "Lost Angeles" for no reason. The city, both physically and culturally, has no real core. It's a mish-mash of different neighborhoods. And the "business" is really just a microcosm or a reflection of the city itself.

That's why it can be much harder to stay grounded. Too many things going on that can pull you in an infinite number of directions. It's also because the culture of Los Angeles is built on TRENDS more than on traditions or customs, so the culture here is far more influenced by what's "hot" in the moment than anywhere else in the US (or maybe the world).

Never thought I'd quote the singer Pink from her song:

"L.A. told me, you'll be a pop star, all you have to change, is everything you are."

Which is what the culture here in LA can do to many people coming here for "the business".

The thing is, what you have to "change" to will change every 3-5 years as the "business" latches onto the next big trend, fad, etc.

And so you'll have an entire INDUSTRY of self-help and self-improvement trying to sell you something to "change everything you are". It could be the friggin' Secret, juice diets, cleanse, raw foods, some latest workout craze, the "right" gym of the moment, the "acting guru of the moment", casting workshops, "the business of acting/branding" seminars, cosmetic surgery, and so forth.

Not that they're all bad -- but if you don't have a strong spiritual core of values, you'll be jumping from one fad to the next, and before you'll know it, you'll be some 45 year old who is still stuck in high school.

From a practical standpoint, here's what I found to work to keep me grounded:

(1) VISIT YOUR FAMILY/LOVED ONES. This may be harder for some especially those who don't like your choice of profession, but if they still love you, visit them. Visit them not for their support of your "acting career" but for who they are and for all the family stuff that has ZERO to do with acting, careers, etc. It's essential. Share a life with them that has nothing to do with "the business" or even any discussion of it. You'll be happier, and they will be happier as well because you're not bringing it up. And you'll share a meaningful time with them. Visit them at least once a year, if not a couple times a year. And call them every week (or a couple times a week) just to connect and talk.

(2) HAVE FRIENDS AND A LIFE OUTSIDE THE BUSINESS. You can be superfocused on your acting career, but you still need a "release valve" to step outside of it completely. Do something or hang out with people who have ZERO to do with the business. Have fun with them, don't talk about the business. There are more people and things to do in LA that have nothing to do with the business than you'd think. This could be playing in a polka band, volunteering, church, whatever. It could even be a day job (i.e. not waiting tables or bartending at a trendy place). Just something that grounds you in something other than the business.

Do those two things, and you can do all the Master Cleanse diets, workout fads, etc you want. But underneath it all are strong roots that you replenish and nourish regularly.
 
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Russell Crowe
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I'm sure some of you have met folks who have ZERO identity outside of the business - and that's not sustainable because eventually they will be lost. Or they'll join a cult to compensate for the fact that they're lost.

Every time you meet up with them, the only thing they can talk about is their latest audition, who's casting what, agents, industry gossip, their workout goals (presumably so they can look better on camera). Because their entire day is auditions, workshops, classes, a shift at work (at some trendy bar or restaurant where they are serving others who talk only about the business), and going to coffee with other actors to talk about the business. And then post negative crap about the business on their Facebook status updates.

Don't be that person. I personally had to catch myself falling into that trap a few times.

If your sole source of fulfillment and joy is from acting -- then you will actually more likely quit. Because chances are you're not going to book enough for it to be your sole source of fulfillment (and even if you do book enough, it may not be the role you really want).

If you have other things going on in your life that bring you joy and fulfillment, you're actually more likely to stay in it for the long-run because you are better equipped to deal with the lean times.
 
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Anthony Hopkins
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Uta Hagen makes a pretty big point about living a life open to all the different arts. It really is amazing how many different things some successful actors do.

The other thing I've become aware of going to screenings lately is how many people spend years here hustling, always promoting some new project, yet never really getting anywhere. You meet them and right off they talk up what they're doing and the moment they meet a star or anyone else connected they spend more time trying to make sure that person knows what they're doing than showing any real interest in the person.
These people find each other too. When Facebook came along, I looked up one person I used to know like that in New York and saw that one of her friends was someone else I've seen on the boards with the same self-promoting attitude. Two women I knew out here from completely different circumstances turned out to be connected too.
All of which results in a very busy little mini-systems which really aren't going anywhere.
Some people of course DO get projects off the ground, starting with almost nothing. So what the exact difference is I can't say. But after over a decade here, I've become more and more aware of the first sort.


Jim Chevallier
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Russell Crowe
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I am glad some of you found my first year experience helpful. I am happy to give back because some things I read here helped me.

The best piece of advice I got from here came in a post by Miss Stone that my stepdad had printed out for me when he gave me the option of going straight to LA instead of college. It is golden:

quote:
The legit and classy way to mix with other like-minded individuals is at screenings etc, such as the ones held by the above listed groups I mentioned. There are also breakfasts with guest speakers and these are golden opportunities to attend and just LISTEN. Don't walk around with a greedy look and a gimme-gimme vibe. Waste of time. Be the quiet one. Just listen and observe. A few weeks of this and seeing the same faces and they will want to talk to YOU. Have a little mystery but be YOURSELF. Everyone in this town wants something. Be the one who doesn't and see what happens. Talk about anything, whatever comes naturally and force nothing. If you simply relax and act like a friendly and open human being anywhere in this town, you would be amazed who you meet and what can happen.


I’m glad it keeps getting bumped and is still available. I think it should be tacked to the top of the New Actors Only section. http://bbs.backstage.com/eve/f...f/932105/m/846102181

The single greatest piece of advice I got, however, came from my grandmother when she hugged me goodbye the morning I left. She said, “Don’t forget who you are.”
 
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Hilary Swank
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There are just so many things you just cant find out till you get to LA. If you are going to act seriously you need to be in LA....but you might lose your soul in the process....LA will suck you dry if you let it, do your research and make a budget and above all dont fall prey to "my friend told me"
 
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Jack Nicholson
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Mostly watching nowadays instead of posting....but a piece of advice I can give the really young types like myself.

This business is really strange in that you need to be agressive but you also need to be patient...and sometimes it is hard to find that balance in those two areas but you have to find it....a couple of other things.

- Keep your friends/family connections strong....sometimes when you go for broke down this path it is easy to lose connections to both due to the big time it takes away from your personal.....make sure you keep your friends and family and tell them how important they are to you and thank them for their support.

- MAKE SURE that you tell your parents (this is for us young actors) just how much you appreciate what they are doing for you....because not only do they make it happen but they also protect you from the ugly side of the business. We would be no where without them. Dont just tell them you will take care of them when you make it (if you do) make sure you tell them that you love them and appreciate the hours they spend behind the wheel, the dollars they put out when it isnt always so easy, etc etc

- LISTEN TO YOUR REPS....when you get them.....go to your classes, stay out of trouble, keep your eye on the prize.

- Understand that for most it does not happen overnight.....someone very smart said "its not who you know it is who knows you" and it takes time to biuld those connections.


"Its the struggle that makes it great"
 
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Al Pacino
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This is an old post that I thought was relevant to this thread:

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Sparkystiltskin
Nicholas Cage

Posted December 07, 2009 02:34 PM
I've been meaning to do this for some time, but in 3 years I've learned a few things, that have helped me get speaking roles in 3 studio features, an agent, and a lot of CD's in my corner.

1) Headshots.
When you are just starting out, go onto craigslist.org and find a photographer who will shoot you for free. Chances are the shots will suck, but I advocate this for two reasons: one, is the obvious; it's free and two, you still need to learn how to shoot.
Great headshots come from a place of relaxation in you and a coalecense of that with the skill of the photographer. A nervous newbie infront of a world famous photographer will still not produce great shots.
When you've done the TPF's a few times, it's time to invest in real headshots, knuckle down and do your research. Look at a lot of websites, or better yet go to reproductions and see their catalogue. Find a photographer that you like and call them up- dont start by saying that you've picked them- get a feel for them on the phone and see if you can go meet them, if they act as if they can't be bothered, then chances are they will be feeling that (albeit masked) while they are shooting you. Find someone who is good, but is also excited to be shooting you.
Next try to get someone in the non-talent side of the industry to give you some advise on what to pick.
I had a CD pick mine out of 120 shots- I've never had anything but compliments. (And these were shots that I barely looked twice at)

2) Acting classes.
Be critical of your teachers. (do this behind a mask of politeness and never tell them what you are thinking). You are there to learn but make sure you feel that you're learning the right stuff. Many method classes revolve around taking a scene and making it a huge dramatic breakdown or explosion, as if that is the purpose of acting. 99% of all acting in TV and film is not about yelling or crying, it's about people talking- so make sure they are teaching that as well. Ask a lot of questions and find out what their current students are doing. If their major success story made their bones in the industry 10 years ago, what they teach may be outdated ( I stress 'may be'). Actors have a tendency to swallow what teachers say whole, learn how to detect bullshit and walk away.

3. Casting director's (workshops)
When casting directors teach classes or workshops- take what they say to be their personal preference. Many of them have a false sense of importance and will pontificate about pet peeves that they alone hold- note what they are and simply don't trigger those pet peeves if and when you see them.
Also, not many of them are real acting teachers- sure they may have sat through countless auditions and know what good or great acting looks like, but it does not qualify them to teach it. ( I can tell you what a perfect football pass looks like, but I certainly can't teach how to throw one!)
Understand these sessions to be instructions on taking adjustments in the room- they are not teaching you how to act.

4. Agents/Managers
These tormented souls have an even greater sense of importance than the last group- and yes, some of them are very important, most are not. That said, keep this in mind, the only people they hold power over is the new and yet to book actor; most of the time they are negotiating with powers greater than their own- their MO is to try to sell something. The way to use this to your advantage is, if you are being brought in to be considered for representation, find a way to say "So what can you do for me?" Then sit back and let their instincts kick in- if they are interested they will try to sell themselves- and that will make them want you. ( Not only does the question naturally invite it, but is also implies that you may be meeting other agents who could swipe you up if they don't move fast enough.)

5) Other actors
I got this little jewel of advice early on and it's helped me everyday since.
"Always consider your source" This goes for what I say here as well. Listen to what is being said and then sit back and take a min to seriously consider with what authority the speaker is using to justify their opinion.
I once had an extra tell me about his great acting teacher; he went on and on about her- I asked how long he had been studying with her and he said, "5 years." He'd been studying with her for 5 years and was still doing extra work. It was quite possible that he was simply a bad actor, but I was certainly skeptical of the purported greatness of his teacher.
The saddest part was the epilogue: he was an extra and set when I got my SAG card doing principal work- and his teacher was also there, as an extra... it was akward.
 
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Morgan Freeman
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Something that I wish someone had told me was to put love first and hook up with a good partner who could be a good teammate in life; I used to think that I had to be successful before I could date and have love, and I ended up 43 years old and lonely and still single, many women have been interested in me, but I was closed off to love because I thought that I had to be successful first, I was stupid, a good woman could have helped me in life, and for me love is the most important thing in life, and I have been missing out on the most important thing in life. So, my advice is to be open to love, no matter how poor you are, and if you are lucky you will find a good teammate in life, and everything is better when you are in love.

Here is a poem I wrote about love, maybe some of you will enjoy it.

Atherosclesosis
by T.L. Verley


The true love of which all seek
but seldom grab onto
The real stuff of which all speak
but seldom ever do
Above riches, reputation, and all of self
We need it like air
Yet it sits on the shelf
Our tender souls we won't share
Afraid to be hurt and won't take the time
It won't be your's this way
Nor will it be mine
Tis a futile game we play
We fake it with imposters in the beginning
In between what we convince ourselves counts
And we make believe we are living
While we are dying in large amounts

Learn young, hold out, and when it comes hold on
Make love the roots of all you do
Your tree of life will be beautiful and strong
And every phony that did not will wish they were you.

Anyhow, my advice is to put love first, and have love in your life, no matter how poor you are.
 
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