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Denzel Washington
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Agreed. Of course, it's only your fault if you don't do the homework on who the CD actually is at the office. And of course, if you haven't done that small bit of homework, then you shouldn't be at a workshop.
 
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Harrison Ford
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Originally posted by Midwest2LA:
I didn't say to disrespect the Assistants, I just said NEVER pay to see them. Huge difference.
Got it! You're so right! I just didn't want others who are learning to get the wrong idea that an associate and/or assistant are not important.


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"If you can dream, you can do. Making it happen is up to you!"
 
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Sean Penn
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Originally posted by ManagerDad:
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I always get frustrated when people say crap about workshops---how the flip else are we supposed to get in to see them.

Yes, when potential employers are allowed to charge for job interviews, then the only way to get a job interview will be to pay for one. If employers *aren't* allowed to charge for job interviews, then other ways will become available, because employers have to have a way to find qualified applicants. The only reason this is the only way to see them is because it's allowed. If it weren't allowed, then the CD's would be forced to find other ways to find new actors (which I believe they used to do).


I suppose that's true, but I don't want to let my career pass me by while I'm waiting on the world to change. Sometimes the world isn't ideal. And I've never gone to a workshop that felt like an interview--I suppose some exist, but I usually do intensives where that function more like classes than anything else.
 
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Sean Penn
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You're missing the point. For an actor, an audition IS the job interview. So if you're paying to get in front of industry people, you're paying for what would be a job interview in a "normal" profession.
 
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Marlon Brando
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Originally posted by Paladin:
You're missing the point. For an actor, an audition IS the job interview. So if you're paying to get in front of industry people, you're paying for what would be a job interview in a "normal" profession.


This business sadly does not conform to the typical labor laws. In a normal job interview, it is illegal to ask someone's age or ethnicity. Whereas if you don't answer at an audition, you might not get the job.

Hopefully with the merger, the Union can do something about stuff like this.
 
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Nicholas Cage
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In a normal job interview, it is illegal to ask someone's age or ethnicity.

I don't agree that this is a parallel issue. It's only illegal when it's not relevant to the job, which it's not in virtually all cases. For acting it's relevant, and therefore ethical. In contrast, there are no circumstances in which charging for a job interview is ethical.
 
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Morgan Freeman
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In a normal job interview, it is illegal to ask someone's age or ethnicity.

I don't agree that this is a parallel issue. It's only illegal when it's not relevant to the job, which it's not in virtually all cases. For acting it's relevant, and therefore ethical. In contrast, there are no circumstances in which charging for a job interview is ethical.



I actually disagree. I remember for a long time Vin Deisel refused to tell people his ethnicity and I totally understand why. There is a huge double standard on who can play who racially. For example, we've seen white actors play everything from "average suburbans" to the Queen of the Nile. White actors don't even have to look like that ethnicity and they get cast. Maybe the producer will tell them to tan or something but, for African Americans, Asians, and many Hispanics, we're automatically put into boxes.

I think it should be illegal to ask ethnicity exactly but we should instead offer ranges of what we could pass for.


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Morgan Freeman
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Originally posted by Totallycool:
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Originally posted by ManagerDad:
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In a normal job interview, it is illegal to ask someone's age or ethnicity.

I don't agree that this is a parallel issue. It's only illegal when it's not relevant to the job, which it's not in virtually all cases. For acting it's relevant, and therefore ethical. In contrast, there are no circumstances in which charging for a job interview is ethical.



I actually disagree. I remember for a long time Vin Deisel refused to tell people his ethnicity and I totally understand why. There is a huge double standard on who can play who racially. For example, we've seen white actors play everything from "average suburbans" to the Queen of the Nile. White actors don't even have to look like that ethnicity and they get cast. And before you say that that is the past Look at movies like Prince of Persia. Neither of the leads could pass for Persian on the street. Though those aren't the kind of roles people dream of, it is a multi-million dollar movie that helps elavate everyone involved.
In these cases, maybe the producer will tell them to tan or something but, for African Americans, Asians, and many Hispanics, we're automatically put into boxes.

I think it should be illegal to ask ethnicity exactly but we should instead offer ranges of what we could pass for.


Laugh when people try to take you as a fool.
 
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Nicholas Cage
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Totallycool, well said, and you're completely right. So the relevant question is, "can you portray this role's ethnicity or range of ethnicities?" (AND questioning whether ethnicity matters at all for the role, AND making sure that there isn't an imbalance where you let "white" actors play outside of their "appearance," but not "non-white" actors. (I'm putting things in quotes because I don't think I could define these words.)

I could be convinced that there's rarely a need for a role to be written as a specific ethnicity, and that even if there were, it's about whether you can portray it. So there's never a need to ask the actor's ethnicity. Allow me to stand corrected. Smiler
 
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Newbie
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Hi. I am interesting in getting in touch with Mike Page Casting Director. Does anybody know how to contact to them by Email Or Mail Or Drop box?
 
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Sean Penn
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Here's a statistic that would be the most interesting: what percentage of actors called in by CD's have done workshops?

My guess is, a very small percentage.

Which raises the question: how are all those OTHER actors getting seen?

Often, I'm guessing, by acting. By doing plays, small films, etc. where they meet other actors and build some reputation. By networking in classes.

Also by mailings. Starting with tiny agencies, getting some rare opportunities, progressing, etc.

Honestly, I'm not sure. But knowing how many actors get called in from workshops is a misleading statistic if in fact most of the people getting called in aren't. Then the question becomes: how are most actors who DO get called in doing that?

Which is really the question people should be asking.
 
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Al Pacino
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I like the way you think.

Most working actors I know don't do workshops.


Michael Kostroff
Creator of the "Audition Psych. 101" workshop (www.auditionpsych101.com)
Author of "Letters from Backstage"
 
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Marlon Brando
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Originally posted by FunNfunny:
Hi. I am interesting in getting in touch with Mike Page Casting Director. Does anybody know how to contact to them by Email Or Mail Or Drop box?

Why? He is a Casting ASSISTANT, NOT a Casting Director nor an Associate.

You're better off targeting Christy Dooley
 
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Newbie
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I am with a great agency in their youth department but because I don't have as much credit, I don't get sent out a lot. Plus they represent a lot of people that are more successful than I am so it makes me think they may be putting more attention on them than me.

Do you think that if I go to more CD workshops and put my name out there for my type, I can get some more auditions? I didn't know if the fact that I'm in the union, have a great agent would help with CD workshops and getting their attention.

How else can I add credits?
 
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Marlon Brando
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Originally posted by marthb89:
I am with a great agency in their youth department but because I don't have as much credit, I don't get sent out a lot. Plus they represent a lot of people that are more successful than I am so it makes me think they may be putting more attention on them than me.

Do you think that if I go to more CD workshops and put my name out there for my type, I can get some more auditions? I didn't know if the fact that I'm in the union, have a great agent would help with CD workshops and getting their attention.

How else can I add credits?

Why not? The agent only does 10% of the work. You also have to promote yourself.
 
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