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You are the talk of the town on this forum and others.

I have proven my point once again. You are a board monger. I would also bet that your child in the industry wished she did live a few hours from the city just so she could get you alone in a car to talk to you away from a computer! But I am sure you even blackberry your comments in traffic or on the subway.

You would not know if the myspaces were pimped out or blinged out. But I certainly know you almost broke your fingernails hauling your wide load over there to see what it was all about. Lol! But ya hit a brick wall instead. Since you are so willing to give advice, let me give a bit of it back to you. Stop eating, breathing and sleeping the industry and the forums. Get off the “many forums” you admit you monger on and do what the other poster said above. Go and spend time with your family/child. She is growing up fast right before your eyes but your eyes are so glued to your computer you are missing it.

I can only imagine what a stage mom you are. With all your many comments that you continue to post, I have also based an opinion about you. You seem to me like a person that once tried the industry herself and failed miserably. So, you push your own daughter so you can live your life through her. What are you going to do when she puts the brakes on mom? I would bet you will not let her. Pity! Oh and you will be back to post to this thread. You are light a moth to a flame. But I will tell you what, when the email comes across where you have posted another comment on this thread, I will not even hop over to read it. But I will have the biggest laugh knowing you did come back and I was right about you. Get a life already! LOL!

Please respond, Actorsmommmy....this is way too much fun for it to end!

Bellaandjakemom,

With every word you write the true nature of your character and intellect is revealed. Your personal attacks are truly uncalled for. You never posted on the form before until yesterday, and have only posted on this thread. Have you even bothered to read any of the other threads on this board or the valuable information they contain. I can only assume not, based on your obvious unawareness of how this business works. You have repeatedly been warned that agents and managers do frequent this board, yet you continue to post in a way that reflect poorly on you, possibly to the detriment of your children's future in this business. And the "top" agents you refer to are not ones considered by those in the know to be in the upper echelon for print in NY.

As for the myspace thing, let me say this: I work (yes, I work full time yet still manage to post regularly; regular posting does not mean that the poster has "no life" or doesn't spend quality time with his/her family) in a profession where I see children victimized all the time as a result of myspace, facebook and other networking sites. They are a hotbed for pedophiles. There is NO WAY I will ever allow my child to have a myspace or facebook page. Making it accessable to "friends" only doesn't help either, unless you can be with your child every time he/she is on the computer and monitor all the "friends" he/she chooses to allow.

You're angry. We get that. Get over it and move on. And actorsmommy doesn't have to come back "like a moth to a flame" to respond to your vitriol because she has, and always will have, posters like me, who have benefited from her advice and the advice of others like her on this board, to leap to her defense.

Nuff said. Peace out. And Happy Mother's Day.

Thanks,Dramamama for trying to put a stop to this. I am hoping that actorsmommy and bellaandjakesmom stay true to their word and just let this go. This whole thread has been like a trainwreck---one you try to shield your eyes from, but find it hard to not look. It is so easy to get into heated discussions when you are not face to face with your "opponent" and sitting in the comfort and safety of your own home. With Mothers Day being tomorrow, lets end this thread and have a wonderful day with our awesome kids!
Happy Mothers Day!

I Second that. I hope ALL the MOMS here have a WONDERFUL Mothers day, and why not start now!

Actormommy,

No, I am not a newbie. As you can see from the registration date, I have been a member of this board for months.

What I am disappointed with:

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There have been MANY websites through the years that have been set up similarly to Nathan's and have been uncovered to be scams or run by Pedophiles.



You continue to connect this man's name with

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scams or run by Pedophiles

without ANY EVIDENCE that this is the case.

Following that up with

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No one is saying that Nathan is either scammer or pedophile but

is disingenuous at best.

I am disappointed that you would but a reference to Bizparentz in your message as if that somehow legitimizes your bashing. I think the people at Bizparents would be horrified to be associated with unjustified attacks on any person in the business.

I am disappointed that bella&jakemom (whom I find distasteful, to say the least) was correct in saying that you would not be able to stay away. Opening up a new thread to make the same accusations is unnecessary, and it is a shame that you did this.

The time has come to end this discussion. I say this as someone who had benefited from your postings in the past - you are damaging your reputation on this board. And for that reason, I am VERY disappointed.

Sincerely, tuffbusiness

I just wanted to say something about myspace. Bellaandjakesmom please don't think that people can't get in your site because it is private. I have my own myspace page and is set to private and it has gotten hacked into multiple times to where I would have to change my password again. After the second time I removed my childrens pic from the site and the third I just removed the page fully. It was my own personal site that I used to keep in touch with my friends. It can and will sooner or later get hacked into. Generally they will send out comments to all of your friends to try and get them to so to a certain site. yada yada. I just want you to be aware that it can get hacked into.

tuffbusiness, I would like to say that I am sorry you find me distasteful. I respect your stand, but to know me is to love me. If you followed the threads from the moment I posted my defending post towards Nathan, my original post was very nice and supportive of him. I did not get testy until the all knowing and her other follower introduced themselves to me ever so hatefully and stated I was pimping my children and exploiting them. That was rude and quite disturbing that a mother would even say something so cruel. Trust me when I say I sat on my hands with regards to several of the statements repeated towards my children and never once did I attack theirs. But I can respect your opinion about me, I just do not have to care. )

3locks, I fully understand what you are saying regarding the MySpace. I am actually a very new user to the whole MySpace thing. Less than six months and my children have been in the industry off and on for six years. If you are on top of your MySpace password and know what not to click on, you will not be hacked. It is very easy to see when one of your friends have been hacked and not to open anything that is linked inside. If you do not click on it, you will not get hacked. No different than avoiding opening attachments in spam email. If you change your MySpace password frequently, you will not be hacked. My husband knows information technology inside and out since he is a president within his company. Being his wife, I hear more about IT than I care too and know more than most average moms do. lol! I am very careful and my children have no access to the sites at all. The only involvement they have with the sites is telling me which songs they want on it, which colors and backgrounds and me reading messages from our true friends and family that have been approved within our selective friends list.

I had the same feeling about MySpace in the past that you have just by reading the net, but if used correctly it is safe and fun. You have your Backstage message board among many that you enjoy and on those are tons of pictures posted of minors that the group has commented on. Not one time have I read anyone in the group telling them they should not be posting them here due to some pedophile that may be lurking. I see parents have put their children’s’ full names on this site and I actually saw one post where actorsmommy said it was okay to put in IMDB the city in which you live in. Are you kidding me? Why not just draw a map to your house already! These message boards are public, the myspaces we have are not public and there is no information inside the spaces that would remotely tell you which state we live in. It states MD and NYC. Some people do have more than one home.

I have received a good five or six friend requests that are on private and some that are not since posting here. Young children to teens that have MySpace pages. So with that said a quick discovery on this board, I find photos posted of the same children that have asked for advice over here with the basher's advice attached to them (of course) and they have MySpace pages. Tuffbusiness, I am sure if I had approved them you would be finding them distasteful as well for I believe many of my children's photos would have been cut and pasted here.

I will admit since I joined this board, I have read some pretty good information on it. Not everyone is a bad apple on this board. I too am no bad apple, I am just a mom that cares about Nathan and came here to post my feelings about him. I put a link to MySpace to catch ips and do a demographic check as to where the bashing was coming from. I am a grown woman and I knew exactly what I was doing. I have not approved the requests that have come from people on this board within the MySpace pages.

I see the instigator has started a new thread after giving up on this one. I am not in the least bit surprised. So I guess I will have that belly laugh now.

I have your weekend was lovely and I hope everyone’s children has much success in the coming days.

Forgot to add 3locks please do not take it personal that I did not approve your friends request via myspace. But in leui of all that has been said here, I am afraid my children's photos will end up on this board since you are becoming quite chummy with the people who started this very mess. Good luck to you and your children.

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Originally posted by bella&jakemom:
I too am no bad apple, I am just a mom that cares about Nathan and came here to post my feelings about him. I put a link to MySpace to catch ips and do a demographic check as to where the bashing was coming from. I am a grown woman and I knew exactly what I was doing.

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Originally posted by bella&jakemom:
I have proven my point once again. You are a board monger.

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SC, Perhaps you were "pushed to the level of defense?" Maybe that's why you captured IPs?
Oy V O Y !!!!!! My guess is this is not the first time you've been part of big drama on a message board.

bellaandjakesmom
I didn't send a friend request. I took my myspace page down a couple of months ago.

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Originally posted by kipmil:
My guess is this is not the first time you've been part of big drama on a message board.

My guess would be the same kip. I've seen this type feeding frenzy on other boards before. It is sad.

D

whatever you say.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bella&jakemom:
tuffbusiness, I would like to say that I am sorry you find me distasteful. I respect your stand, but to know me is to love me. If you followed the threads from the moment I posted my defending post towards Nathan, my original post was very nice and supportive of him. I did not get testy until the all knowing and her other follower introduced themselves to me ever so hatefully and stated I was pimping my children and exploiting them. That was rude and quite disturbing that a mother would even say something so cruel. Well, lets see, shall we. Here's your original post:



Posted May 09, 2008 07:04 PM Hide Post
I just signed up on this board and I have read some of the garbage on this thread. I keep reading where this Diane person states Nathan is "forcing" people to buy his book. Diane, when did you buy the book? You keep stating that Nathan is forcing people, as in YOU, to buy the book. You go on and on about how you disagree with this implemented fee on his website. If people do not want the book they don't have to buy the book including you! I have been registered on his site for months and months and I have learned much being in his community. I still bought the book because Nathan is full of valuable information and I am sure his book will be just as informative You bought a book that you had no idea what information was in it...smart!. It is all about educating yourself and protecting your child and gaining insight from someone who has experience in the industry. He obviously has enough experience to extort money from people who don't know any better to get the same information for free!

Where you think buying the book will not serve any purpose to some, I beg to differ as well as many others. Nathan has a very large community and we all respect and trust each other. We are all very supportive of each other also and that is a great tool to network with others. You think that knowing Nathan and listening to him is a waist of time because you feel he is a scammer It was clearly stated by Diane, several times, that she did NOT say he was a scammer, but his business model is similar to scam sites. Learn to read, silly! You're a mother for crying out loud, god forbid your kid gets sick and you have to read the directions on the back of the medicine!. I find that statement rude and defamatory and you should be ashamed! Also, let's see how far you get telling that nonsense to my two children that shot with him in February and have been signed with one of the top NYC agencies that I could not get my kids in the door years before on my own ***Who started the mudslinging??? Shiller**. Nathan helped make this happen for my children and I can not thank him enough. Nathan is the kindest soul you will ever meet and his patience with children is so genuine. His photography vision is amazing and his assistant is awesome and knows style with eyes closed No one doubted this, again, learn to read..and maybe you should invest in some visine. If you are not interested in shooting your child with Nathan, then you have no right commenting on anything to do with Nathan. But I feel there is more to this story….

In my opinion, if you would take the time to listen to someone like Nathan and swallow the bitters, you may find that there are people out there like Nathan that would fight circles saws with one arm tied behind their back to help you! I am sorry, but I am going to do a little assuming of my own now. I feel you are angry and bitter because maybe your child did not make the top twenty I doubt she would put her child through such a waste of time. Again, she has a better business sense than that. But its nice to see you're trying to add the element of competition between your kids and hers! . Before you come back at me assuming mine did, I did not even enter my two children in the contest. They are where they need to be with one of the most fantastic agencies in NYC and like I said before, I have Nathan to thank for helping make that happen! In a later post, you denied this.I will also add that I am proud that Nathan is my children’s’ photographer and honored to have him as a dear friend. So while you are on the boards posting all your negative assumptions, there are many positive parents out there shuttling their children to jobs to help enhance their future if they so chose to stick with it. At this point, I would pay your husband $24.95 to turn your internet off. Wow, its like a gorilla at the zoo flinging poo at the onlookers!

Stephanie
Proud mom to Bella and Jake

http://www.myspace.com/2007nammdprincessmom

http://www.myspace.com/cheeseybacon1


Wonderful first post. There wasn't any bitterness towards someone who has never spoken to you at all in that rant. In all honesty, I think you're trying to do the best for your kids, and thats cool. But, like Michael Keaton in "Mr. Mom", YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!

Wise Up.