If you make the illegals legal I can almost bet that it will bankrupt the welfare system. Most have the mindset that they don't have to pay taxes they will then be legal collect food stamps welfare rent subsidized apartments and still work off the books.

The George Bushes of Corp America (yes they do use illegals look at Walmart for example)wants illegal immigration they have a huge pool of low wage earners who work off the books saving billions in lost taxes that the employer have to pay Social Security, Workman's Comp hospital coverage etc.

I don't hear anyone screaming about how the illegals are being taken advantage of in the form of low wages and risks.

This illegal in the recent past was hurt on the job working off the books and is now suing.Please.

George Washington is gnawing on his wooden teeth from the grave.

The only choice left is to deport them and unfortunately their children who in my opinion are not US citizens even though they where born here under illegal circumstances. I know that is harsh but we have toi send the word out we are mad and are not going to take it anymore.

We pay the highest gas tax in Westchester county in order to support the county run hospital and other programs.

I can tell you from inside information that they do use the hospitals don't pay the huge bills they run up and they disappear because there is no way to track them. Hence someone has to pay the bills to keep the hospitals open so you and me do it in the form of high taxes.

Me I used the ER ran up a $3,000 bill and since I am legal and have a so called paper trial to track me they set up a payment plan oh yes be legal in the old good USA and get screwed by doing the right thing and pay your fare share.

Send them back. I have had enough in paying high taxes some in part to help Juan and Rossetas have a family on my dime. Enough with being politically correct send them back . They have no rights they broke the law.

We have tried it the liberal bleeding heart way and look at the mess it has created .

America for Americans I love this country to much to see what illegal immigration is doing to us.

I am moving to South America I heard someone left the light on.

It is only one man's thoughts mine.

why don't we send you back from whatever planet you came from. if you're so worried about laws being broken write your elected officials and complain about all the laws being broken by this administation

The illegals don't bother me as much as a LOT of the Muslims. (A lot not all.)

What pisses me off is that illegals can get drivers' licenses! (They don't need insurance though.)

What a crock of shitt.

They also can use emergency room services as Donald says and get everybody else to pay for it.

They also use school services and everybody else pays. (Yet if an American citizen takes advantage of a school's services which is out of his district, and if he gets caught, the administration makes him PAY the money back.)

They also DICTATE school policies (i.e. multi-lingual bull shitt which costs a FORTUNE)

The reason "illegals" get to do whatever they want and dictate policies and every concession is made for them, is that most of them are hispanic.

And since most of the population of California and New York is hispanic, the lawmakers are too afraid not to placate (read: suck up to the hispanics) in every way, shape or form.

This is not an attack on any hispanic people either. It's just the hard cold truth.

YEA Man what a crock. Why should we have to help anyone but ourselves. Why should they be allowed to come here to get care and food. Who cares that a BIG reason that their country is poor, is because of the USAs' grossly unfair trade practices. Who cares that it was their land first. Who cares that this is NOT OUR land to begin with and humans do not get to dictate where anyone should live. And all those Mexicans driving down the wage, it's not like it's up to the employers how much the wage is. I DREAD the day when people wake up and realize that we are all in this together and stop seeing people as illegals and immigrants and aliens and start seeing them as people. Until that dark day in hummanity I'll keep starting my wars and building my walls.

Our country helps PLENTY. We help other countries MORE than any other country on the planet.

That doesn't mean that we should have an open door policy for anybody to just crash our country and say GIVE ME.

Yes, illegals are people. No doubt. But that doesn't mean we owe them a free ride.

And I'm sick of the sense of entitlement that illegals have. They sneak over the border and suddenly start making all kinds of demands.

Talk about NERVE.

Play by the rules or swim the hell home.

First of all saying we help pleanty is not enough. Who, Who are we helping. Money to Africa when we support dictators and overpriced meds. Who are these countries we are helping. Whnt if they bulit a border north of Texas and told us not to cross it, should we abide by their "rules". Before you tell people to play by the rules you should have an understanding of why the "rules" are in place, or if they even should be. There has been a few other "rules" in the past. Blacks can't vote, asians get locked up because of their nationality. If you think these new "rules" are any different think again. I remember one lady on a bus a while ago who didn't feel like follwing the rules and changed them. Should she have just gone to the back or just swam home.

Rosa Parks was and is an American citizen. She had every right to protest.

What rights does somebody from Mexico have? I mean, really. Just because they border the US that means they have a right to march across and take?

I do care a lot about the plight of immigrants, both legal and illegal.

but there are limits. The sense of entitlement is what I find so infuriating.

They don't like the rules so they just storm the country and take, take, take.

And bitch every chance they can about the "evil empire."

I say, any LEGAL immigrant who has a problem with us, then PROTEST, organize a parade, write your congressmen.

ILLEGALS? If you have a problem with anything as I said, SWIM THE HELL HOME!

I think you might be missing my point. They should not be immigrants at all. We fought a war and won because we had bigger guns more men etc. That is why we get to put up walls decide the rules bla bla bla. If bigger guns is really enough reason to be allowed to make the rules. If you ask what a lot of the PEOPLE are marching for it is worker rights, proper care for their families. What happens is US corporations and US forigen policy make it all but impossible to make a living wage in Mexico forcing people to cross the border into the US. Once in the US they are forced to accept very low paying jobs, in some cases not so low paying (construction, plumbing) jobs but those are few. Because they are "Illegal" they don't have an outlet to voice their opinion without fear of retrebution. Thefore the employers can get away with paying them low wages and no healthcare. So what options are there, go through the extensive and sometimes expensive battle of becoming "legal" while their family may be starving, cross over the border shut-up and take it, or cross over the border and fight for change to make it better for their children. Honestly what would you do. People NEED to stop thinking of them as THEM. THEY are US. WE are THEY. The ONLY difference is a few miles.

I don't think Mexico is in the state it is due to the U.S.A.

They need to take care of their own affairs.

Canada has prospered nicely. Why can't Mexico?

The reason why Canada has prospered and Mexico has not truly needs a 20 page essay to explain. However read a few economy books and you'll kind of get the picture. The following is from an exerpt on commentisfree.guardian.co.uk

"The rules on liberalisation of services in FTAs threaten to drive local firms out of business, reduce competition, and extend the monopoly power of large companies. When Mexico liberalised financial services in 1993 in preparation for the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), for example, foreign ownership of the banking system increased to 85 per cent in seven years, but lending to Mexican businesses dropped from 10 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP) to 0.3 per cent, depriving poor people living in rural areas of vital sources of credit."

This one paragraph should show you that the state Mexico is in is not due to apathetic Mexicans. It is one thing to have to fight the rich and powerful in you country it is another thing to fight them when they are backed by ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
There are a LOT of Mexicans who ARE fighting to make it better Others do not have that choice. They go where the food is.

Rosa Parks was and is an American citizen. She had every right to protest.

What rights does somebody from Mexico have? I mean, really. Just because they border the US that means they have a right to march across and take?

God I really hope you're just being controversial for the sake of being controversial and you don't actually believe that crap.

If you really think that Mexico is so poor because Mexicans would much rather just go somewhere else you may be right. There was, however, another group of individuals who did much the same, only when they left their Britan the did't assmilate at all. How many people do you know that speak Navajo. The fact is that A large reason Mexico is poor is due to the US. To state otherwise shows your lack of knowledge of history.

I'd have to disagree that the US has caused the problem and no, history does not speak otherwise. Sorry, but having lived in Texas temporarily and hearing the arguments caused me to spend the time learning of the history of the border, the war with Mexico and the economics. I would beg to disagree with you.

It's also very easy to make the armchair comments when your not involved directly with the illegal alien situation.

I would suggest everyone should have to help someone interested in emigrating to our country, work as a volunteer in the emergency room or the labor and delivery and then help an official dealing with the border. After actually doing so, you will change your mind. I know that I did. I am daughter of an immigrant and changed to be pro immigration and documentation and anti-illegal alien. We're not getting just the poor future immigrant.


It isn't as simplistic as everyone is making out. Spend at least a year studying the situation and then make a decision. It is a very different environment. There are more countries involved than just Mexico and the hidden problems are enormous. The costs are affecting all of us at this time.

I want to have people paying taxes and Social. want them paying towards healthcare, driving with insurance and most important of all OBEYING OUR LAWS. We don't need illegals like the Guatamalens arrested in New Milford with the largest drug bust in New England's history. They'd already been deported once.

I don't want to visit my friends on the border in Texas and have to carry a cellphone and gun, only go outside in daylight and in pairs and spend all day every single day to repair the fences on the property. It's now armed groups making a business of bringing groups through his property. He has been taken to the emergency room more than once because of the attacks. His only offense was to retire and buy a grapefruit farm with his lifesavings. He's now watching his dream die.

I'm upset at what it has cost me directly and then indirectly. So I will stand for requiring proper documentation.

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Rosa Parks was and is an American citizen. She had every right to protest.

What rights does somebody from Mexico have? I mean, really. Just because they border the US that means they have a right to march across and take?

God I really hope you're just being controversial for the sake of being controversial and you don't actually believe that crap.

I stand by every syllable! EVERY SYLLABLE!

The absolute GALL of so many illegals barging in here and thinking they have the RIGHT to services is what boggles my mind.

No, I'm no history professor. I don't claim to be. But I do know that Mexico and every other country under the sun does NOT have the right to flout our laws. They don't have the right to barge in take (read: steal, theft of services).

Do it legally. And if the legal procedures to become a citizen are too restrictive and burdensome then organize to change it.

But don't justify stealing and say you have a right to because of America's history.

The sense of entitlement of some illegals is what infuriates me. I don't mind illegals minding their own business, staying out of trouble and working or playing soccer as they do in my neighborhood. They're nice people.

But when they start acting like we OWE them? And they have a RIGHT to take? They have a RIGHT to be illegal?

I say here's your first English lesson. It's just two words: FU** YOU!

Obey our laws or swim home!

It is my personal opinion that there is so much fear mongering and ethnic stereotyping on both sides of the argument that it seems impossible to really look at the issue objectively. This thread supports my theory.

I've heard a lot of the arguments in the news, etc., for all the points of view but there is hardly ever any citation of which studies are being used to come to conclusions. It just seems like a lot of hysteria. And when I'm in a mood to see conspiracies-- which is not really my tendency-- it might even seem like "they" want to keep us hysterical.

To me the bottom line is we all want high wages and cheap goods and services. Well, cheap goods and services are usually made possible by cheap labor. The cheap goods tend to come from cheap labor in foreign lands, and the cheap services tend to come from immigrant labor--both legal and illegal.

Good points, but if you come to New Jersey you will see for yourself the facts.

"Day Laborers" (illegals waiting for lanscape and carpentry work) line the sidewalks of many towns. They are from many spanish speaking countries. They wait to be picked up by some buyer.

This was never the case, it's something that has happened during the last 15 years.

Specifically, Anderson Avenue in Cliffside Park and Fairview, NJ. That street looks like a sad Springsteen video.

There are at least 100 men on the sidwalks every morning. And they're not all going to be selected to work, so when people complain that there's a BIG problem with illegals, the pat answer, "Well, they're doing the work others won't" really doesn't hold up. They're not working. There are too many of them.

I believe Monmouth County has a ton of day laborers too.

The problem is out of control. Half of Guatemala is on the sidewalk in New Jersey every morning.

They are also on an exit ramp of Rt. 46 in Palisades Park, NJ.

We are being taken over. When people criticize the situation they get told to "have compassion."

Well, what kind of compassion does nothing and lets this happen? What is being done for these streetwalkers?

Whichever side of this emotional and contentious immigration issue you're on, I've got some sobering news for you...
In ten years, we'll all be speaking Spanish. This is the precise problem I foresaw coming over twenty years ago, when we still had a chance to protect our sovereign borders and law still ruled the land. It began in the halls of Congress with immigration laws with no teeth, and a government without the will and fortitude to protect our common borders with Mexico. Now, there are simply so many illegals living and working in America that they soon will become the predominent group in America. By using simple geometric logic, their numbers, now numbering at least twenty million, will have tripled in just a couple of decades. Add to that the spectre of chain immigration (the legal right to bring over your entire family once you've become a legal citizen) and you easily double that number in the same amount of time. Do the math. This is no exaggeration, no idle theory. A population crisis of untold proportions is about to occur and most people don't even know it. The cumulative effect on our resources and already over-stressed infrastructure will be unfathomable. Last week, a major public hospital in a major American city was forced to close, shutting it's doors to the indigent and poor permanently. The reason? There were simply so many Mexican babies being born in the pediatrics ward that the entire hospital went broke. We are rapidly becoming a Third World country. All of our high tech jobs have been already been exported out of the country. We don't make anything, and now we don't even service anything. All we're good at is consuming foreign goods and importing cheap, uneducated, ittinerant labor from the south. Since illegals now number in the MILLIONS, they represent such a large segment of the voting population that any attempt by U.S. law makers to even try and curtail their illegal activities would be utterly disastrous to their political careers, it would be political suicide. Wherein lies the rub. It's a numbers game, plain and simple. When you piss off a large number of your constituency, you lose the election. If we had only 1) revamped our antiquated and ineffective immigration laws and enforced the ones we had, and 2) made a halfway effective attempt to beef up and patrol our borders many years ago, perhaps we wouldn't be facing the dilemma we find ourselves in today. President Vicente Fox had a very effective way of stopping illegal entry into his country-- he would shoot on sight any person attempting to run the border into Mexico with automatic weapons fire. The same man who passed out How To Enter The U.S. Illegally "care packages" to his fellow countrymen as he glibly criticized American police for chasing down cars full of illegals entering our country (that same year, ten Mexicans in an overturned van each sued the U.S. government for $10. million each, and won) was dictating to our own leaders what our immigration policies should be, while our politicians remained silent. I often wonder how illegals would feel if it were millions of Americans flooding into Mexico seeking jobs and demanding that they house, care for and educate our burgeoning offspring in English? I can almost see them shouting in unison, "YANKEE, GO HOME!" The fact is, "The United States of Mexico" will soon become a reality, and there's nothing that you or I or our so-called leaders can do about it. Ten years ago, a Spanish speaking radio station became the number one FM station in California. Five years ago, TELEMUNDO became the most powerful TV station in Hollywood, nearly succeeding in their bid to acquire to NBC and make their takeover complete. Life in America is about to dramatically change, and not for the better. The worst part is, now there isn't anything that you or I can do about it. GAME OVER.

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Day Laborers" (illegals waiting for lanscape and carpentry work) line the sidewalks of many towns. They are from many spanish speaking countries. They wait to be picked up by some buyer.

You are assuming they are illegal--thereby proving my point. Not all of the low skill level Spanish speaking construction workers are illegal immigrants. Yes, some are, but you can't tell by looking.