I truly have no opinion on the veracity of the claims made by the documentarians. But I think this is a video all artists should watch. It is our job, as performing artists, to examine all sides of an issue. We do not really understand our own opinions about things, unless we fully examine the other side or sides of an issue.

I am troubled by many issues in this video, but again, I have no overall opinion about the claims being made.

I'll be very interested to hear from people who watch the video. I'll NOT be interested to hear from people who have opinions about it without watching it. If you don't watch the whole thing, you really aren't entitled to spout off about it, as you don't seem to get what it means to really think critically about an issue.

This is such an important issue. Wow.

http://loosechange911.com/videos.shtml

I suggest you watch the FINAL CUT VERSION (at the bottom of the page), as it is the newest and most comprehensive version of this important film.

- Jason

I have watched the loosechange films over the past few years. they are incredible videos to watch. I just can't wait till Bush gets out of office!!!!!!!!!

Hey guys can we lose the political posts. This is for ACTING and NETWORKING purposes. Where's the moderator cause the rules are pretty str8forward about silly posts like this that have nothing to do with ACTING.

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Originally posted by Actingchannel:
Hey guys can we lose the political posts. This is for ACTING and NETWORKING purposes. Where's the moderator cause the rules are pretty str8forward about silly posts like this that have nothing to do with ACTING.

whoa whoah whoah. In all defenses here, this is the off topic section.

And the Off Topic board says SPORT not POLITICS. What is it with men and politics???. And then you guys wonder why we never call you back.

Go post your hatred on some political blog. We're here to lift each other up as artists.

The topic is appropriate. What is not appropriate are continuous comments on THIS thread that have nothing to do with the topic I brought up here -- the "Loose Change" 9/11 videos.

Politics are quite appropriate for professional actors, in terms of knowledge and discussion, and are just fine on this message board in this section.

Again, interfering with discussions by repeatedly trying to stop them is what is not allowed, "Actingchannel."

Thanks for respecting the rules from this point forward.

- Jason Bennett

but WHY?? Why would we do this to ourselves? also, real planes did go into all buildings you think usa planned that?

Actingchannel, are you an experienced professional in the business AT ALL??? It doesn't seem like it, in the least. 9/11 is extremely pertinent to our craft. It is a NEWS issue, which is cleary stated on the topic's listing.
Our jobs in this business is to INFORM. Art imitates life, and 9/11 is a big part of America's life. And seeking out the truth of what happened that day, and the events leading up to that day, are extremely important. This business is supposed to inform, and educate the people. The entertainment business is supposed to give points of views to the world, so we can open the eyes of the public, by any means we know how.
Having a name ACTORSCHANNEL, I would hope you can understand this. Loosechange is making a full length film that will be hitting the theatres soon, so yes, this topic IS relevant to acting, in ALL aspects. Open your eyes, its a big world out there!

Emmy, It doesn't sound like you watched the film. I want to hear what you have to say after you watch it. :-) - Jason

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Originally posted by emmyaward4:
but WHY?? Why would we do this to ourselves? also, real planes did go into all buildings you think usa planned that?

There are so many questions as to what happened. Yes, planes hit the World Trade Center, and "something" flew into the pentagon. I was right across the street from the pentagon when it happened (clark street playhouse, crystal city, va..building the set for Caligula) I didn't see what happened but I heard it, and felt it, then I went outside, and saw tons of smoke.
Emmy, Im glad you said "you think USA planned that". This is exactly what Bush and his minions want you to think like. I don't think USA is responsible, I think Bush, and his administration is responsible. Whenever someone discredits bush and his regime, he twists what is being said to make it sound like those in his opposition are against America. We are not against america at all, but we are against Bush's tactics and political control. Since Bush has been in office, we have gone into a SERIOUS recession, our rights have been stolen from us in broad daylight, and our privacy has been molested, and our confidence has dropped severely (think anyone in New Orleans likes Bush?). The value of our dollar is the lowest it has ever been. He is using taxpayers dollars to fund his war (wonder why gas prices are $4.15/gal?) at millions of dollars a day. The troops are talking, and they are saying they want to get home. Bush is using gestapo tactics to run countries for more power. Think about all the other things that happened because of 9/11. Think of "why" it happened. Lets use Ockhams razor in this theory:
Whats more logical-
a bunch of non-US citizens were able to hijack three planes...with cutting tools...and strategically fly them into set targets with fighter pilot's precision...and mind you, one of those planes flew into restricted airspace that most official military jets aren't allowed to fly into. Nothing was done about it! Not ONE fighter jet was called in to shoot these planes down. Not ONE action was taken.
And to top it off, the towers fell down. In history, planes flew into buildings before (even the empire state building..which was erected long before the wtc and had less construction quality) and not a single building has ever toppled over. WTC buildings are the first in history to fall, and fall after only a short time. This has been scrutinized by top engineers and it is more baffling than anything else they've ever seen.

OR

The Bush Administration devised a well-set plan, to erase documents that implicate business partners in extorting money for private use from their companies. This plan also fronted a new war against Iraq (who didn't even claim responsibility for the attack) which would generate more money for his friends in the oil companies that are in need of oil in the middle east. Note also that those who were in the loop (ie-funded the attack) also owned stock in the buildings that were destroyed, and they decided just a few days before the attack to take out enormous insurance coverage for those buildings, which in turn would generate even more money.

Lets talk in rational terms, WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST FROM THESE ATTACKS?
Did Osama benefit? He lives in caves, hiding from us soldiers. Im sure, being a smart, rich business man himself, he would've known that if he were truly tied to these attacks he would be smothered out and killed (funny, because that STILL hasn't happened yet).
Or would Bush, a world leader, who promotes fear to keep his power in check do well from such an event. It would make the US rely on him and trust him more, and make him seem strong in the eyes of the people if he were to retaliate against such an attack, and of course, make trillions of dollars in the workings of it. Lets think for a minute here.....

I would also like to add, that I'm not just taking from Loose change. I've lived in DC for a while. In my time there, I've been granted top secret clearance (which takes months to get, and costs thousands of dollars to the company attempting to obtain access for its employees). I have worked for the Secret Service, the FBI, and CIA, and all the local metro police divisions. I have top security clearance through FLETC (federal law enforcement training centers) I can't tell you exactly what I did for them, but I can tell you I learned a lot about protocol and military and commercial protection strategy. What was planned that day was done by expert strategists, and well-connected upper level administrators. If the potus wasn't involved, it was someone close to him.

Its all stallones actions. He is the world's biggest terrorist.

lol

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Originally posted by WorldFamousDeadbeatTodd:
Its all stallones actions. He is the world's biggest terrorist.

lol

Him and Tom Cruise. They're in on it together!

wanna bump this, because it is an important topic, and it would be great to hear how other actors, especially in NY think about what 9/11 means in terms of addressing this event to the world.

I think it's possible that Bush and his buddies were complacent in it, in other words they knew of the plan and allowed it to happen, but I don't think it was orchestrated by them. And of course there is no doubt that as soon as it happened, they took serious advantage of it to cash in at the expense of the American people.

Seems like this is going to continue to be a controversy, just like JFK’s assassination.

And the post is TOTALLY appropriate in the off-topic category.

i have such a hard time believing that our country would even LET this happen, call me ignorant, call me late for dinner, i don't care, but i can't wrap my brain around that.
that would make them KILLERS

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Posted May 13, 2008 08:32 AM Hide Post
Emmy, It doesn't sound like you watched the film. I want to hear what you have to say after you watch it. :-) - Jason

I DID wtch it
& even i got lured in but i highly doubt it's true at all, i pray it's not, or i am going to live somewhere else

also don't get me wrong remember i lost my best friend in pan Am 103 & I know we knew about that to a degree, so i DO think the government has some notice of these things, but they would have to be DIRECTLY involved to know it all, letters & threats are used akk the time & we can't listen to it all

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Originally posted by emmyaward4:
i have such a hard time believing that our country would even LET this happen, call me ignorant, call me late for dinner, i don't care, but i can't wrap my brain around that.
that would make them KILLERS

Emmy, its not the COUNTRY that new about it. It was the Bush Administration. Unfortunately, the 9/11 Commission Report is so full of holes and lies, (even though its considered an official report) that taking the Bush Administration to court for their crimes would be futile. It would take 20 years or more to come up with enough facts to implicate Bush to the plan. It was a joint venture between two or more nations. It was a way to make the rich, richer. Bush cares more about money than he does the American people, and that is clearly obvious. Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the biggie Cheney, knew all about the attacks way in advance. I can't believe this is something playwrites haven't picked up on yet, or filmmakers either. Are they afraid to expose the truth to what happened???