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Denzel Washington
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quote: Originally posted by Cassidy DuHon :: Juice Imagery: My argument is presented above, so I won't bother to restate it to rebut, though I do think all the counter examples mentioned seem a bit more extreme than the discussion at hand.
Here's the thing: I have no problem with any photographer discouraging the use of alcohol, when asked by clients. A photographer should always give his truthful professional opinion when asked directly. (Though obviously, I disagree with Robert Kim on this one.)
However, after giving that opinion, clients should be allowed some personal leeway. Though I'm fully capable of helping people relax and feel comfortable on set, it's not the photographer's job to dictate exactly how and actor should or should not relax and feel comfortable.
Actors are in difficult on-set situations all of the time, and their ability to feel comfortable is crucial to their job performance. Because of that, most decent actors have already established ways to relax.
Anyone who's worked with actors before knows, some of these requests are a little weird. I've had clients who've wanted to put their significant other on speaker phone during the shoot, scream off the roof before the shoot, or run around the block once. And yes, a not uncommon request is to have ONE drink before the shoot.
I absolutely refuse the unreasonable ones, and have done so many times. This includes any client attempt to get even remotely smashed.
But my point is, actors are in the business of relaxing in front of a camera. It would be arrogant of me to completely dictate their means of doing so, or assume that my preferences toward on-camera relaxation are ALWAYS better than theirs. Actors are pros too, and part of the headshot business is trusting them to act the part.
Dear Juiced: At the risk of sounding redundant, I have to restate my previous question again, one that you are either reluctant to answer or just choosing to ignore. Outside of the perfectly acceptable habit of screaming on a rooftop or running around the block that you described -- regardless of the amount, SINCE WHEN IS RELYING ON DRUGS OR ALCOHOL TO ENHANCE YOUR PERFORMANCE CONSIDERED THE "PROFESSIONAL" THING TO DO? "Arrogance" has nothing whatever to do with having a strict "NO BOOZE OR DRUGS" policy in your own place of business. There's a significant difference between a bar and a working photo studio, and something tells me you're simply not connecting the dots. If you've formed the impression that I'm a teetotaller, you're wrong. I have a fully-stocked wet bar in my studio. But it's reserved for after your session, not before. You may not realize that the AMOUNT OF alcohol one consumes doesn't make them an alcoholic, it's their NEED to have a drink in order to perform that's the problem -- be it a single glass or an entire bottle. At Alcoholics Anonymous they have a saying: "One million drinks is not enough, and one is too many." Trusting all actors to be a "pro" and "act the part" is simply dwelling in a fool's paradise. Telling someone that "It's okay to drink before a photo session, but not too much," is like handing a child a loaded gun. Your endless arguments on the wisdom of drinking before a photo shoot simply don't wash.
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| Posts: 591 | Location: New York City | Registered: January 05, 2007 |    |
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Newbie
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This is a great topic, I never thought this problem existed that consistently, let alone just for a headshot! Isn't that the job of (at least a Film/TV) actor- to have a relationship with the camera? So then why if it makes someone so nervous would they want it as a career? I understand there's pressure, but that goes along with the job description. Maybe I'm speaking too soon and one day I too will be that stressed out, but I just don't see it as professional or even beneficial.
As for the eye thing, look back at snapshots just taken with friends out one night- you can see the eyes get progressively worse throughout the night. I would DIE if my eyes were like that for pictures that I just spend good money on. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my wine just as much as the next girl, but I would never show up for a job or anything industry related, including my headshots, after a drink.
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| Posts: 22 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: March 22, 2008 |    |
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Denzel Washington
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quote: Originally posted by tmb43: This is a great topic, I never thought this problem existed that consistently, let alone just for a headshot! Isn't that the job of (at least a Film/TV) actor- to have a relationship with the camera? So then why if it makes someone so nervous would they want it as a career? I understand there's pressure, but that goes along with the job description.
Point well taken, tmb. It seems that pressure and acting are fellow travelers... what really counts is how we handle it. www.robertkim.com
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| Posts: 591 | Location: New York City | Registered: January 05, 2007 |    |
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Russell Crowe

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Here's my take on the subject for what it's worth. I fear for people who say "I just need one glass of wine to get me through this." Like drug use, your body adapts to the amount of alcohol you take in and you eventually need more to get you back into that relaxed mode. Alcohol, when either abused or used over time, can eventually change your dna and you then become dependant on it for survival. That is why the children and grandchildren of alcoholics have a higher percentage rate of becoming alcoholics themselves after even only one drink. I say NEVER rely on a chemical/alcoholic substance to get you through anything. Find a way to get through tough or uncomfortable situations on your own. You will be a stronger person for it.
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| Posts: 89 | Location: Northern California | Registered: October 09, 2006 |    |
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Johnny Depp

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Im a psychotherapist by profession, and have worked in the substance abuse field. Now that my bias is out there, I think it is a bad idea to use chemicals to alter mood/feelings. Do people do it? All the time. But it's not a good idea. A better idea is to learn relaxation techniques, formal and informal, to help you reduce your anxiety. I would expect that those who are actors by trade, would have an edge on doing so.....in the same way that you can connect yourself with particular emotions for an acting role, you should also be able to connect with mental situations that bring you to a state of relaxation, enjoyment, calm, etc. my .02
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| Posts: 52 | Location: Southern California | Registered: October 13, 2007 |    |
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Denzel Washington
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Everyone should have such a bias, Andrew's mom. Thank you for adding your voice to this forum from a professional's standpoint. Like so many subjects on this board, everyone seems to have different viewpoints -- but on this single subject I don't think there's even one legitimate excuse for an actor to rely on booze or drugs to get through their day. I'm big on using whatever works for you. But after a few years on this planet I've found what DOESN'T work, and substance abuse is on the very top of that list. After your headshot session we'll drink a toast together to celebrate. But before? Not. "Whatever works." www.robertkim.com
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| Posts: 591 | Location: New York City | Registered: January 05, 2007 |    |
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Kevin Bacon
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The human body produces all the necessary substances itself. But you need imagination and inspiration to get to the point, where the body gets excited with the mind, and everything falls into place naturally. The photographer, like the director, have an important part supporting the actor. This relationship is so important, if it is not there, no drug will help. And, by the way: not only the eyes are affected by using alcohol & Co. The skin, too. The skin is a bit like the sky of our "emotional weather". Anything you take that isn't designed for our body will show up there. So what does it help if an actor is relaxed - with a dazed look and cardboard gray skin? The connection actor - photographer is key to flourish imagination and inspiration. Those moments, where you forget the time, and where you are, just focused at the task.
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| Posts: 22 | Location: LA | Registered: April 11, 2008 |    |
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Johnny Depp
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If you're nervous about the shoot, ask your photographer if you can meet him/her well beforehand. You will know right away if he/she is the kind of person who will help you to relax during the shoot. If they refuse to meet you ahead of time, look for another photographer. Good luck! Ron
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| Posts: 95 | Location: New York City | Registered: February 15, 2008 |    |
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