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Sean Penn
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Whenever I receive a B&W shot, I don't even look at it. I assume either a) the picture is really old and the actor is not working enough to update it; or b) the actor is not serious about his business enough to know what is expected.


Ditto this. Unless you are strictly a theatre actor in NY you never use b&w, ever. And even then, barely anyone in the NY theatre arena use b&w either except the old timers.

You'll find old-school photogtraphers that can't let it go, but the industry is not dictated by them, it's dictated by the casting industry and the casting industry does not take b&w seriously anymore, especially out here in Hollywood.

Being "laughed out of town" is a little harsh though, I mean, they'll look at the thing but why short-cut your chances of being called because you're stubborn? Get some color Smiler
 
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Russell Crowe
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Interesting. I just got my first color shots about a year ago. I'm pretty sure I never got laughed out of LA for having BW. In FACT, I still use a couple of my B&W shots theatrically. Never had one freaking problem doing so. What has made color the norm is that the cost of color has gone down compared to the past with the advent of digital pics.

Let's be clear, though, non-truthteller. Your by the book world will get you nowhere in this business. Give it a freaking rest.


Truthteller is right. She's not going by the book. She's applying what has worked for many WORKING actors.

In the past two years I have attended many agent and casting director showcases in Los Angeles. Whenever the topic of headshots came up, all said they do not take actors who submit B&W headshots seriously because it's not the industry standard. They assume you can't follow directions and the job of an actor is to take directions. No casting director wants to be responsible for sending an actor on set who "marches to their own drumbeat" to disrupt the working environment.

From my understanding, the lower cost of color prints wasn't the reason for the switch from B&W prints. It's because most casting is now done online and a color images just looks much better on a computer screen.


What a crock. So if you have B&W headshots you are not going to get hired....wow. Don't know how the hell I booked so much work over the last 25 years WITH B&W headshots. Must have been an accident.

Also, I am not saying don't get color, color is obviously the best way to go. I am saying get GOOD headshots. If your shot is good, and it's B&W you will get called in. To put all this psychological BS on it is just ridiculous. "They won't take you seriously." "They won't hire you because they'll think you march to your own drum..." Give me a freaking break.

As I said, by the book is the fastest way to oblivion. That doesn't mean do B&W over color. It means there is NO BOOK.

THERE IS NO BOOK.

Write your own freaking book, and let the chat room wannabes write theirs.
 
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Anthony Hopkins
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There have been literally HUNDREDS of posts on this board regarding the topic of B&W v. color.

Continuing to use B&W photographs this late in the game can easily be interpreted that your headshot is either old or outdated, certainly in any of the major markets.

For at least the past five years, color has been the industry standard for acting submissions, beginning in Los Angeles, then making the final transition to New York two years later.

There is no controversy on this, there is no dispute.

www.robertkim.com
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453647/
 
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Russell Crowe
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There have been literally HUNDREDS of posts on this board regarding the topic of B&W v. color.

Continuing to use B&W photographs this late in the game can easily be interpreted that your headshot is either old or outdated, certainly in any of the major markets.

For at least the past five years, color has been the industry standard for acting submissions, beginning in Los Angeles, then making the final transition to New York two years later.

There is no controversy on this, there is no dispute.

www.robertkim.com
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453647/


True. 100% true.

But you also cannot just definitively dismiss an actor using B&W headshots. You just can't, and casting directors don't. Nor do agents. What they WILL do, is what mine did; they will suggest you get color. But a good headshot is still a good headshot, regardless of B&W or color. I was able to get away with B&W because most of the CDs knew me anyway. But, to tell someone they will be laughed out of the business with B&W is just being a dick. And it simply isn't true.
 
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Newbie
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So I received my headshots two days ago and it turned out a little different than I expected. My b/w photo took up the whole page and my color photo was in a small box in the right corner. I wish I could show you guys, but I don't have a scanner.

Anyway, these are the 2 photos that were used:

photos


Thanks again for all your help.
 
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Sean Penn
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So I received my headshots two days ago and it turned out a little different than I expected. My b/w photo took up the whole page and my color photo was in a small box in the right corner. I wish I could show you guys, but I don't have a scanner.

Anyway, these are the 2 photos that were used:

photos


Thanks again for all your help.


That's too bad actually, the color shot is more theatrical and the b/w has commercial appeal but is black and white! My concern is, after looking over your resume, you've excelled in commercials! The whole thing is backwards to me.

You should have a color commercial shot as the primary (commercials/sitcoms are in color, fyi) and since your agent insists on a b/w shot, that should be a theatrical one she uses as the small one. Sheesh, very weird, but I guess that's what your agent wants. I would consider one thing, tell your agent what YOU want, she's YOUR agent. I was with ICM up to last month, I was their client, not the other way around.

Just a thought Smiler
 
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Johnny Depp
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I agree with Robert when he says that B&W look outdated. I went to your link, and even though your color and black and white may have been taken on the same day, my mind played a trick on me and dismissed it as being an "old one". Weird, huh? Maybe black and white headshots just has that psychological effect on CD's, agents, and actors now that color is the standard.
 
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Morgan Freeman
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You should have your prints redone, that's a pretty bad mistake!


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Morgan Freeman
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I was able to get away with B&W because most of the CDs knew me anyway.


This is the ONLY reason to keep on using your B/W. EVERYONE else should be using color.

To to OP -- Regarding your prints .. clearly they made a mistake, and I agree with Dennis -- you should ask them to re-do them.

Good luck.

Ron


Photographer: www.ronbrownheadshots.com
Independent Film Writer/Director: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0114583/
 
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