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Glenn Close
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quote: Originally posted by miss stone: quote: Originally posted by Totallycool:
well uh...thanks for the advice. I wont lie because I dotn want to get caught. Ill apply as a hostess or busser amd hopefully move up. Bussers get tips right?
If you get caught you are no worse off than you are now- which is UNEMPLOYED. Noone will spank you- I promise- LOL. What do you really think they will do to you????  Wake up, man.....  There are no restaurant cops!!!! You gotta bend the rules sometimes in this world. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, it's okay. If the worst thing you ever do is put a job on your resume that you did not do, you're in pretty good shape. Ever sped in the car? Thought so. What's the difference then? That's breaking the law- this isn't.
I don't think this is illegal though. It's just dishonesty.
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| Posts: 1057 | Location: In a Dream... | Registered: October 20, 2008 | |
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Newbie
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quote: Originally posted by miss stone:
Don't drink alcohol either since you're only 18 because that is even worse as it is ILLEGAL. If you're not going to fib on a resume out of some moral issue, don't then go and break the law when it suits you. If you are going to be "moral"- do it all the way. Don't pick and choose.
Morality and law do not always coincide. In a slightly younger US, it was legal to deny voting rights based on race and gender, but I would like to argue that the practice has never been, and never will be moral. If you drink a beer before you're legally allowed to do so, then go to bed, and sleep for eight hours, you're doing other people a lot less damage than if you lie to get a job and perform poorly in your new position. It all varies. Sometimes being moral preempts the possibility of following the law. I became a waitress after working as a hostess. My experience has been this: bartenders make the most money, then it's the waiters, then the busboys and the hostesses. If you don't feel comfortable with lying, it will probably be easier to get your foot in the door by applying for one of the positions with a lower compensation rate. It'll give you a chance to prove that you're competent, reliable and hardworking. |
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| Posts: 16 | Location: here | Registered: December 09, 2008 | |
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Julia Roberts
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You can stretch the truth and still be competent, reliable and hardworking. Sometimes you just need a JOB. And you say drinking a beer illegally is less damaging then fibbing about being a waiter? That is funny! I think the bars, cops etc may beg to differ!! Well, I guess some have their own messed up and conflicting sense of morals. Might I point out that while you may justify it all you want, what your suggest IS in fact ILLEGAL. My point was simply if you are going to be a moral do-gooder who does no wrong, do it ALL the way. Personally, I don't give a damn if you do drink a beer underage or tell a harmless fib about a job. I just have an issue with comprehending how one is for leisure and is illegal yet you say that's cool and yet the other is not and to get a job and SURVIVE but you frown on that. Whatever. "OOh, no I fibbed and didn't get the order right or spilled their coffee- OMG what a huge crime!!! AAAAAAAHGH!" Yeah, devastating. Far worse than underage drinking, I am sure. |
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| Posts: 2438 | Location: the universe | Registered: June 04, 2007 | |
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Newbie
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quote: Originally posted by miss stone:
And you say drinking a beer illegally is less damaging then fibbing about being a waiter? That is funny! I think the bars, cops etc may beg to differ!! Well, I guess some have their own messed up and conflicting sense of morals.
Miss Stone, did you even bother to read what I said? I suggested a very specific scenario for a reason. If you are 20 years old, drink one beer, and immediately go to bed to sleep for eight hours - NOT DRINK AND DRIVE - you will, in fact, be doing a lot less damage than if you lie to get a job, become a waiter, and end up taking care of a food critic who gives the restaurant a bad review because your service sucked. My point is that sometimes what is illegal can be done in a way that doesn't really hurt anyone, while things that aren't explicitly illegal can be quite harmful. Legality does not equal morality. quote: Originally posted by miss stone:
My point was simply if you are going to be a moral do-gooder who does no wrong, do it ALL the way.
And my point, which you clearly missed, is that being a moral do-gooder "all the way" will result in a certain amount of law-breaking. My point, again, is that she's not being a hypocrite for refusing to lie while breaking some laws. quote: Originally posted by miss stone: I just have an issue with comprehending how one is for leisure and is illegal yet you say that's cool and yet the other is not and to get a job and SURVIVE but you frown on that. Whatever. "OOh, no I fibbed and didn't get the order right or spilled their coffee- OMG what a huge crime!!! AAAAAAAHGH!" Yeah, devastating. Far worse than underage drinking, I am sure.
*sigh* When did I say underage drinking is always "cool"? You know who I think is cool? Rosa Parks. But, according to you, the woman should have gotten her ass of that seat because it was illegal for her to do anything but. Silly lady, didn't she have any sense of morality? What is your issue? The difference is this: if you think it's okay to harm other people to get where you're going, you're not a very moral person IMO. Enslaving other people to do your work is wrong, physically harming someone who does not want to be harmed is wrong, lying to other people is wrong. Why? Because all those actions involve innocent bystanders. That being said, I can understand why someone would lie to get a job. When did I ever frown on it? NYC is full of nepotism, and sometimes you have to play with the beast, by its rules, before you can conquer it. It's not all black and white, cut and dry. |
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| Posts: 16 | Location: here | Registered: December 09, 2008 | |
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Kevin Bacon
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quote: Originally posted by amarti:
You could try applying at chain restaurants such as Olive Garden, TGIF, or Cheesecake Factory. These types of places usually hire people without experience, as they offer on the job training.
Once you gain experience there you can always move on to a fancier location.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that a fancier place equals better tips - it doesn't always! I was a waitress for many years and I always made the best money working breakfast in privately owned restaurants. If it's a busy place and you have regulars who grow to like you, you'll average 30-40% in tips, and you can turn over your tables fast at that time of day. Oh, and you don't have to share your tips with a bartender or other co-workers! That all adds up to a lot more money than most servers make in fancy dinner houses - I know, I've done both! In my experience the chain restaurants may be good places to start out, since they provide training, but they're miserable places to work with really tight rules, and you end up making a lot less since they give you so few tables and you have to tip out to half the staff. Start there if you must, but just know that it does get better, if you move on a privately owned restaurant. |
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| Posts: 15 | Location: California | Registered: July 13, 2005 | |
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Kevin Bacon
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quote: Originally posted by Truthie:
Any tips on how to stop being a waiter?
Best post in this thread! |
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| Posts: 15 | Location: California | Registered: July 13, 2005 | |
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Glenn Close
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so here's my question for the group of restaurant workers out there:
i was just reading an article about one of those major chains in which mystery shoppers were used OFTEN and servers were often getting reprimanded due to these often inaccurate reports. it seemed like a somewhat hostile environment, and yet money was made for the staff- if they weren't fired for one negative comment which might have been something ridiculous anyway and not actually "wrong."
i'm planning to apply to just a small chain here in LA and they have a new location opening up within walking distance of my new apartment. it would really be one of two affordable restaurants in the neighborhood. they say their other locations are always busy, so that bodes well, i think. but i walk around during random times and see all of the restaurants in the neighborhood EMPTY except during weekend dinners. but it's close to home, it's a new location so if i got in, i'd be there from the beginning, it's a small family owned operation (i do believe)...
so is it better to go with a big chain where i'm likely to make more money- one day -but have a stressful work situation and not be as close to home...
or to get in from the ground up at a lesser-known place in my neghborhood but know i probably won't make as much. but since it's a smaller operation, there could be more flexibility and options?
i really don't know what to do here. it's my first time applying to a restaurant (i've worked catering and other food service jobs, but never gone in to ask to be a server).
for you servers in LA, do servers get paid minimum wage + tips? is that the general deal? i remember once hearing that there was a server minimum wage (in another state on the east coast) that's something like $2.50/hr plus tips. i can't work for that, you know? anyone know the deal with that here in LA?
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| Posts: 247 | Location: Los Angeles, Baby! | Registered: July 15, 2005 | |
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Kevin Bacon
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quote: Originally posted by jactressk:
so is it better to go with a big chain where i'm likely to make more money- one day -but have a stressful work situation and not be as close to home...
or to get in from the ground up at a lesser-known place in my neghborhood but know i probably won't make as much. but since it's a smaller operation, there could be more flexibility and options?
I wrote this above, but I'll repeat it! I was a waitress for a LONG time, and loved it, and made great money - and once I got established I always chose smaller, privately-owned places because I made more money. With a big chain you will have fewer tables and more co-workers to tip out to - at least that was always my experience. Bottom line, I only enjoyed my job if I was making good money, so I never stuck around if I wasn't! But honestly, if you've never been a server in that type of restaurant before, you should probably apply for both. There's a lot of competition for all jobs right now, since unemployment is higher than normal, and servers with experience in a particular type of restaurant usually get priority, over those without. |
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| Posts: 15 | Location: California | Registered: July 13, 2005 | |
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Julia Roberts
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quote: Originally posted by cheryl:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jactressk:
so is it better to go with a big chain where i'm likely to make more money- one day -but have a stressful work situation and not be as close to home...
or to get in from the ground up at a lesser-known place in my neghborhood but know i probably won't make as much. but since it's a smaller operation, there could be more flexibility and options?
I wrote this above, but I'll repeat it! QUOTE] I feel you. I always say "One more time for the cheap seats in the back!" |
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| Posts: 2438 | Location: the universe | Registered: June 04, 2007 | |
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